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		<title>Comment on Check your Patriarchy: How jargon is ruining progressive arguments by smhmic</title>
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		<dc:creator>smhmic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point.  As someone who often wishes that people spoke in purely literal language, this post led me to another valuable takeaway:  We want to communicate effectively -- and sometimes that means forgoing a desire for &quot;correct&quot; communication.  

By &quot;correct&quot;, in this case, I mean: adhering to related sets of rules -- ranging from the technical sort that deal with grammar and syntax, to the higher-level rules and techniques regarding presentation, flow, and logic.  But, if we want to be truly &quot;correct&quot; in our communication, we need to extend the type of rules we consider relevant to language to yet a higher level, and also consider cultural context, etiquette and relevance.  Why?  Because we want to be correct merely as a means to be as effective as possible. 

The author&#039;s point is an example of how we can do this when we express ourselves.  It&#039;s okay for me to use nuanced, niche, or new vocabulary to order to be correct/concise, but I should make sure my audience understands my language.

My point is that we should NOT demand this of others in regular conversation.

Focusing on the &quot;correctness&quot; of others&#039; words (unless, of course, it is the subject of discussion) lowers your ability to interpret their meaning effectively and makes it more difficult for others to express themselves to you.  

When someone speaks, writes, or otherwise expresses themselves, they may do so &quot;incorrectly&quot; -- at least, according to your ruleset.  Whether the reason is ignorance or use of a different set of rules --- it doesn&#039;t matter.  Briefly noting a minor mistake can be distracting (but occasionally helpful and worthwhile).  But, pointing out infractions against our higher-level rules of communication will derail an entire conversation.

For example: A young girl says to her boyfriend, &quot;I hate you!&quot; The traditional meaning of the word &#039;hate&#039; is very different from what it means in the mouth of a teenage girl -- but her mysterious vocabulary is not part of the common knowledge.  Her boyfriend would be better off if she spoke in literal terms.  But she did not, and he will not benefit from trying to make it so.  But he can still be better off, if he interprets correctly.  He factors in the context and her body language and understands that she was expressing &quot;You hurt me and I&#039;m upset&quot;. 

Another example: I say, &quot;I need a new cell phone&quot;. Someone may want to address what a &#039;need&#039; actually is, a response that could bear biological, philosophical or practical validity -- but doing so would completely neglect what I&#039;ve tried to convey.

In an extreme example: a person surprised you by using a racial slur when relaying important information.  Instead of getting hung up on the slur and launching into a tangent conversation, it may be best to first address the matter at hand.  Hopefully, later you can clarify that the word is offensive, and have a larger conversation about race and bigotry.  In reality, most subject matter is not so urgent as to breeze past an inappropriate slur, but we should be able to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point.  As someone who often wishes that people spoke in purely literal language, this post led me to another valuable takeaway:  We want to communicate effectively &#8212; and sometimes that means forgoing a desire for &#8220;correct&#8221; communication.  </p>
<p>By &#8220;correct&#8221;, in this case, I mean: adhering to related sets of rules &#8212; ranging from the technical sort that deal with grammar and syntax, to the higher-level rules and techniques regarding presentation, flow, and logic.  But, if we want to be truly &#8220;correct&#8221; in our communication, we need to extend the type of rules we consider relevant to language to yet a higher level, and also consider cultural context, etiquette and relevance.  Why?  Because we want to be correct merely as a means to be as effective as possible. </p>
<p>The author&#8217;s point is an example of how we can do this when we express ourselves.  It&#8217;s okay for me to use nuanced, niche, or new vocabulary to order to be correct/concise, but I should make sure my audience understands my language.</p>
<p>My point is that we should NOT demand this of others in regular conversation.</p>
<p>Focusing on the &#8220;correctness&#8221; of others&#8217; words (unless, of course, it is the subject of discussion) lowers your ability to interpret their meaning effectively and makes it more difficult for others to express themselves to you.  </p>
<p>When someone speaks, writes, or otherwise expresses themselves, they may do so &#8220;incorrectly&#8221; &#8212; at least, according to your ruleset.  Whether the reason is ignorance or use of a different set of rules &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t matter.  Briefly noting a minor mistake can be distracting (but occasionally helpful and worthwhile).  But, pointing out infractions against our higher-level rules of communication will derail an entire conversation.</p>
<p>For example: A young girl says to her boyfriend, &#8220;I hate you!&#8221; The traditional meaning of the word &#8216;hate&#8217; is very different from what it means in the mouth of a teenage girl &#8212; but her mysterious vocabulary is not part of the common knowledge.  Her boyfriend would be better off if she spoke in literal terms.  But she did not, and he will not benefit from trying to make it so.  But he can still be better off, if he interprets correctly.  He factors in the context and her body language and understands that she was expressing &#8220;You hurt me and I&#8217;m upset&#8221;. </p>
<p>Another example: I say, &#8220;I need a new cell phone&#8221;. Someone may want to address what a &#8216;need&#8217; actually is, a response that could bear biological, philosophical or practical validity &#8212; but doing so would completely neglect what I&#8217;ve tried to convey.</p>
<p>In an extreme example: a person surprised you by using a racial slur when relaying important information.  Instead of getting hung up on the slur and launching into a tangent conversation, it may be best to first address the matter at hand.  Hopefully, later you can clarify that the word is offensive, and have a larger conversation about race and bigotry.  In reality, most subject matter is not so urgent as to breeze past an inappropriate slur, but we should be able to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Local Dream by Shani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 16:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s what I was searching for, what a data! existing here at this weblog, thanks admin of this web page.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Antisocialism by Alex22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I admit that simplification is dangerous, never the less we have to do it all the time. Simply said, we have to live with that danger.
I was born in communism and spent most of my life in Canada (also a very socialized country). I see, as the dominant part of Socialism/Communism is government control. And here comes the catch 22: both the political left and right loves power and government control, even if for different ends. The left wants control over education and healthcare, (and anything they can think of J) ), the right wants control over military, police and the legal system. If there was any discernable difference between the left and the right, then by now we should know about it since we have had many left and right wing governments in the whole world (especially in the western world). Therefore to say that the right wing is no better than the left or visa versa is no news.

	WHOEVER, THE REAL OPPOSITION TO BOTH OF THESE MOVEMENTS (parties) is LIBERTARIANISM.  Libertarianism is the only movement that wants to decrease the power of the government, and it wants to decrease mainly the power of the federal government. We need governing and governments, but how much? Obviously government control is not a black and white thing, there is an optimum amount of government and no more or less is favorable to our societies. Based on our present experience the amount of federal power is far beyond optimum, i.e. switching from left to right is not going to help us.

VIVA LIBERTY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I admit that simplification is dangerous, never the less we have to do it all the time. Simply said, we have to live with that danger.<br />
I was born in communism and spent most of my life in Canada (also a very socialized country). I see, as the dominant part of Socialism/Communism is government control. And here comes the catch 22: both the political left and right loves power and government control, even if for different ends. The left wants control over education and healthcare, (and anything they can think of J) ), the right wants control over military, police and the legal system. If there was any discernable difference between the left and the right, then by now we should know about it since we have had many left and right wing governments in the whole world (especially in the western world). Therefore to say that the right wing is no better than the left or visa versa is no news.</p>
<p>	WHOEVER, THE REAL OPPOSITION TO BOTH OF THESE MOVEMENTS (parties) is LIBERTARIANISM.  Libertarianism is the only movement that wants to decrease the power of the government, and it wants to decrease mainly the power of the federal government. We need governing and governments, but how much? Obviously government control is not a black and white thing, there is an optimum amount of government and no more or less is favorable to our societies. Based on our present experience the amount of federal power is far beyond optimum, i.e. switching from left to right is not going to help us.</p>
<p>VIVA LIBERTY</p>
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		<title>Comment on About America is Purple by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 14:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The best way lies somewhere in the middle. We would like to find that middle ground.&quot;

This assumes there IS a solution between two parties who have a lock on political power and the broadcast media. When the choice is between a Republican rooting for financial deregulation and a Democrat who begrudgingly allows it, the effect is the same: massive systemic fraud.

The only alternatives are revolution or a grassroots third party that somehow gets on the ballot of all 50 states and somehow raises enough money to pay for the commercials necessary to win a campaign.

Let&#039;s hope for the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The best way lies somewhere in the middle. We would like to find that middle ground.&#8221;</p>
<p>This assumes there IS a solution between two parties who have a lock on political power and the broadcast media. When the choice is between a Republican rooting for financial deregulation and a Democrat who begrudgingly allows it, the effect is the same: massive systemic fraud.</p>
<p>The only alternatives are revolution or a grassroots third party that somehow gets on the ballot of all 50 states and somehow raises enough money to pay for the commercials necessary to win a campaign.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope for the latter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coming to Terms by Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.americaispurple.com/?p=134&#038;cpage=1#comment-9047</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 14:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Matthew. Sorry to see it&#039;s your last.

Teddy Roosevelt is on Mt Rushmore for a reason: he busted the vice-grip on labor that large corporations had, and no historian would call him a socialist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Matthew. Sorry to see it&#8217;s your last.</p>
<p>Teddy Roosevelt is on Mt Rushmore for a reason: he busted the vice-grip on labor that large corporations had, and no historian would call him a socialist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About America is Purple by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re talking about the &quot;Socialist Grades&quot; professor, it never actually happened.  I was responding to an email forward someone sent with a made up story and I made up a counter-example that was equally plausible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re talking about the &#8220;Socialist Grades&#8221; professor, it never actually happened.  I was responding to an email forward someone sent with a made up story and I made up a counter-example that was equally plausible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About America is Purple by Jesse Ruffes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Ruffes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings-

I just finished reading the blog about the local collage experiment. I found it really interesting. Can I get the name of the professor who conducted the experiment on his class. Thank you in advance.

Warm Regards,

Jesse Ruffes
Returned Peace Corps Volunteer
Bulgaria, 2009/2011</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings-</p>
<p>I just finished reading the blog about the local collage experiment. I found it really interesting. Can I get the name of the professor who conducted the experiment on his class. Thank you in advance.</p>
<p>Warm Regards,</p>
<p>Jesse Ruffes<br />
Returned Peace Corps Volunteer<br />
Bulgaria, 2009/2011</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teach a man to fish&#8230; by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow up 1 is my idea of a best-case scenario for someone who lacks the means and knowledge to get by on their own. It is neither a Democrat nor a Republican idea.  It would probably fall under conservative desire for self-sufficiency, except that someone had to teach the man how to be self-sufficient.  It is my, no doubt naive, centrist philosophy. 

There are probably other middle-of-the-road common-sense solutions to this type of problem.  The Democrat&#039;s ideas tend to be better than Republican ideas in that they  only work on paper whereas the Republicans&#039; ideas don&#039;t even work there.  Both sides are more interested in their ideology than finding solutions that actually work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow up 1 is my idea of a best-case scenario for someone who lacks the means and knowledge to get by on their own. It is neither a Democrat nor a Republican idea.  It would probably fall under conservative desire for self-sufficiency, except that someone had to teach the man how to be self-sufficient.  It is my, no doubt naive, centrist philosophy. </p>
<p>There are probably other middle-of-the-road common-sense solutions to this type of problem.  The Democrat&#8217;s ideas tend to be better than Republican ideas in that they  only work on paper whereas the Republicans&#8217; ideas don&#8217;t even work there.  Both sides are more interested in their ideology than finding solutions that actually work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Antisocialism by admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think welfare is working when people who are cold, hungry, and hopeless receive warmth, food, and a future.  The first two are fairly easy to distribute, but that last one is the difficult part.  I would actually prefer if charities could handle all of these things, but I don&#039;t believe our culture has enough charity.  If the goal of welfare is to provide necessary resources to those that lack them, then it is working when people receive those resources.  If the goal of welfare is to get people off of welfare, then it will likely start &quot;working&quot; when the economy improves enough for people to get back to work.  When there are 30 applicants for any single job opening, there are going to be a lot of people who need help.  

The underlying premise of most complaints against welfare, seem to stem from the thought that we are paying lazy people to not work and that they are living in relative luxury off the money we pay in taxes.  I don&#039;t believe this is true.  As I&#039;ve said, there most certainly are people out there who game the system, but those people are guilty of fraud and should be arrested.  What sense does it make to say, &quot;Some people are gaming the system, we should get rid of the system.&quot;?  

We have all sorts of programs in our country which offer training, support, and education to people who are out of work and are looking to re-enter the work force.  Are those programs for the lazy?  Should we cut those?  Food stamps help thousands of people who would otherwise go hungry, should we let them starve or send them to the local food pantries, many of which already have to turn people away because they don&#039;t have enough donations?  

Welfare is a bandage on a wound, it doesn&#039;t solve the underlying problems that lead to poverty, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s meant to.  Poverty is not a problem that can be easily &quot;Solved&quot;.  It will take systemic changes to our society if we were to have any chance of success, and even &quot;success&quot; would be unlikely to eradicate all these problems.  Even at the best of times, 5% unemployment or higher is considered normal.  But even if it doesn&#039;t ultimately solve the problem, it is aiding thousands of people who really need the help, and I&#039;d rather err on the side of helping people even if we unwittingly support a couple of freeloaders. Getting individual people what they actually need is difficult if not impossible to do on anything other than a person-by-person basis, which institutions in general (both government and institutional charities) suck at doing.  Given the choice between making sure no one undeserving gets unwarranted aid and making sure that people in actual distress are cared for, I&#039;d chose the latter.  Not just because I&#039;m all altruistic and stuff. History shows that any given society is only two or three missed meals away from total collapse, anarchy, and/or revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think welfare is working when people who are cold, hungry, and hopeless receive warmth, food, and a future.  The first two are fairly easy to distribute, but that last one is the difficult part.  I would actually prefer if charities could handle all of these things, but I don&#8217;t believe our culture has enough charity.  If the goal of welfare is to provide necessary resources to those that lack them, then it is working when people receive those resources.  If the goal of welfare is to get people off of welfare, then it will likely start &#8220;working&#8221; when the economy improves enough for people to get back to work.  When there are 30 applicants for any single job opening, there are going to be a lot of people who need help.  </p>
<p>The underlying premise of most complaints against welfare, seem to stem from the thought that we are paying lazy people to not work and that they are living in relative luxury off the money we pay in taxes.  I don&#8217;t believe this is true.  As I&#8217;ve said, there most certainly are people out there who game the system, but those people are guilty of fraud and should be arrested.  What sense does it make to say, &#8220;Some people are gaming the system, we should get rid of the system.&#8221;?  </p>
<p>We have all sorts of programs in our country which offer training, support, and education to people who are out of work and are looking to re-enter the work force.  Are those programs for the lazy?  Should we cut those?  Food stamps help thousands of people who would otherwise go hungry, should we let them starve or send them to the local food pantries, many of which already have to turn people away because they don&#8217;t have enough donations?  </p>
<p>Welfare is a bandage on a wound, it doesn&#8217;t solve the underlying problems that lead to poverty, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s meant to.  Poverty is not a problem that can be easily &#8220;Solved&#8221;.  It will take systemic changes to our society if we were to have any chance of success, and even &#8220;success&#8221; would be unlikely to eradicate all these problems.  Even at the best of times, 5% unemployment or higher is considered normal.  But even if it doesn&#8217;t ultimately solve the problem, it is aiding thousands of people who really need the help, and I&#8217;d rather err on the side of helping people even if we unwittingly support a couple of freeloaders. Getting individual people what they actually need is difficult if not impossible to do on anything other than a person-by-person basis, which institutions in general (both government and institutional charities) suck at doing.  Given the choice between making sure no one undeserving gets unwarranted aid and making sure that people in actual distress are cared for, I&#8217;d chose the latter.  Not just because I&#8217;m all altruistic and stuff. History shows that any given society is only two or three missed meals away from total collapse, anarchy, and/or revolution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Antisocialism by James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the counter thoughts in the article.  I posted a reply in there, too.

What are your thoughts to my other question?
My question is, when will welfare start to work? When will welfare recipients start to decline?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the counter thoughts in the article.  I posted a reply in there, too.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts to my other question?<br />
My question is, when will welfare start to work? When will welfare recipients start to decline?</p>
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